- August 19, 2019 at 2:53 am #417152Rob Wood (Admin)Keymaster
So today I posted a Facebook status update for Light Stalking’s photography FB page that read, “How was your weekend shooting? Post a shot to show us!”
And we received a complaint from somebody who was offended about us using the word, “shooting.”
The facepalm emoji just doesn’t cut it.
- August 19, 2019 at 3:45 am #417156DorothyParticipant
LOL – Obviously that poor person forgot where they were. Yep, face-palm is not enough.
- August 19, 2019 at 6:57 am #417162Petr NowakParticipant
I’d like to say “LOL” or something like that. But imho the situation is overall (so not only this case) heading into hell… I’m afraid the war on hatespeech can slowly turn into war on anybody for anything. And that these people could demand to not to use word “shooting” even in photography meaning because its simply offending (for them). 🙁
- August 19, 2019 at 8:30 am #417164
I guess they were “triggered” Rob. Too much tofu will do that to you. I hope you told them you were offended by their complaint. 🙂
- August 19, 2019 at 8:44 am #417165Erik FransmanParticipant
Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump.
- August 19, 2019 at 9:14 am #417171Anonymous
It is amazing, how much people are “Offended” now days… Simple words, Shadow of a pointed finger that looks like the silhouette of a gun, Anything that has anything to do with religion and don’t ever refer to anything by a gender… Myself, I’m happily going around to see how many of those people I can piss off on any given day. I’ll talk sex, race, firearms, religion, Hell, I don’t smoke, but I may pull out a cigar just to wind somebody up. When they call me an asshole,.. I know I’m getting there. 😉 .. 🤦 .. Yep, I may be an Asshole.
- August 19, 2019 at 10:01 am #417180
In todays “Woke” society everyone is offended by anything! It will eventually lead to the demise of western civilization and I do not think that is overstating the facts. If you look at why Rome fell then you can see so many parallels with our society today. Within 20 years you will not recognize society and it will not be for the better. I will not be here then but most of you will be and I do not envy you.
Harvard, one of our leading universities, has banned single sex organizations. ???? Plus, some of the papers coming out of Harvard have bordered on the absurd! I could site examples but that is not the purpose of our website. This is all part and parcel of everyone being offended by something and everything.
- August 21, 2019 at 12:20 pm #417437
- August 19, 2019 at 10:41 am #417185
Rob, I’m sorry to say that this does not surprise me one bit. My first inclination was to suggest you make similar posts to stir the pot but that may end up getting you banned. Plenty more crazies where that one came from.
- August 19, 2019 at 1:06 pm #417194
Welcome to Facebook Rob, I was banned form a Facebook Photography Group for posting a photo of a bumper sticker I designed for the local gun club, during a contest to photograph why you love Wyoming, the US state that owns more firearms per capita then any other, they even went so far as to report me to Facebook and get my account locked. After some investigation I learned the Wyoming Photography Groups moderators were living in Oregon. And when I called Facebook to cancel my advertising plan for my business because they locked out my personal account, I was reinstated and got a $100 credit to my advertising account, I guess my money isn’t offensive.
- August 19, 2019 at 9:21 pm #417232bethParticipant
this is what happens when you get rid of lead based paint, the weak survive and grow up to spread their stupidity and breed and pass their stupidity along to their offspring.
- August 19, 2019 at 10:02 pm #417233
- August 20, 2019 at 12:22 am #417263
- August 20, 2019 at 12:47 am #417266
My reply seems so trivial now. Spot on Beth. Spot on.
- August 20, 2019 at 6:50 am #417282JasenkaGKeymaster
This is probably the best comment I have read in a while 😀 Kudos to you Beth!
- August 21, 2019 at 12:25 am #417352
Agreed, when you mess with the natural order of mother nature she tends to slap back.
- August 21, 2019 at 11:37 am #417430
Great comment Beth. From a guy who is part of the “No seatbelt” and “Steel dashboard” generation I agree!!!
- August 22, 2019 at 12:43 am #417475Federico AlegriaParticipant
- August 20, 2019 at 12:30 am #417264
They’d probably have a fit walking into a newsagency, what with all the ‘magazines’ in there! Definite heart attack material walking into a brewery with all those ‘barrels’. For God’s sake don’t use beef ‘stock’ in your soup and Roy Rogers’ horse Trigger should be banished from all records!
- August 20, 2019 at 7:06 am #417285
That beach vacation was horrible!! There was sand everywhere….nobody told us there was going to be sand!
- August 20, 2019 at 11:29 am #417298
Rob I remember reading that somewhere and OMG really? People have reached a level of stupid that resembles “The Onion” only it is reality!
- August 20, 2019 at 12:54 pm #417311
Lol, This is brilliant. Well done. Beth.
- August 21, 2019 at 9:27 am #417416Steve WalkerParticipant
Well, I am one who does think that words matter and have commented in various places (I don’t think in this post) that much of our photography language is hunting based: shoot, capture, take to use a few examples. SOME hunting seems more about making loud noises and testosterone based false pride than about a judicious activity.
The words don’t offend me but I wish we used a somewhat less violent set of words that are available, though clumsier. They also sometimes underplay the creative role of the photographer: “take” and “capture” both imply the image is simply sitting there, waiting to be picked up, rather than studied, selected and composed, more intentional acts that the usual term might indicate (even though much activity falls into that “snapshot” mode.
There is an opportunity for serious discussion of these sorts of ideas, though most and probably all social media undercuts and works against such thoughtful exchanges.
- August 21, 2019 at 11:23 am #417426
There is definitely a school of thought and discussion around making images rather than taking images.
Words represent ideas, and ideas matter. When I’m bored I’ll enter into discussions on LinkedIn, just for entertainment, seeking to flag to the stupid and unwitting the idiocy of their views. It’s my bad side coming out. But always done politely. 😉
I try to keep it simple and low key. You know, un-emotive issues like religion, freedom, gun control etc.
- August 21, 2019 at 11:41 am #417433
Steve, I have NEVER, in my 75 years, thought of photography language as hunting based. Until I moved to Las Vegas in 1978 I used to hunt and I never saw the parallels of my camera with a rifle. Never.
- August 21, 2019 at 6:45 pm #417462Steve WalkerParticipant
That’s interesting, but probably shouldn’t be unexpected. Hunters almost certainly have a more detailed understanding of the term than non-hunters. For me, “shoot” definitely brings to mind guns. Take doesn’t. I think robbery sometimes or “steal a base” in baseball. Capture brings to mind cages rather than the framing of a scene as we snap a shutter button. I know I cringe when I hear someone say they are going to “shoot a wedding” or go for a “model shoot”. Our personal experiences definitely affect our associations and, often, reinforce them.
- August 21, 2019 at 7:30 pm #417463
I was reading a photography book years ago talking about original camera design where when you set the flash you basically had a pistol grip mechanism with a trigger that stroke a flint which ignited the flash powder, you also looked down a rod with rifle sights mounted on it to aim the camera, sound familiar ? Original camera technology was very much like shooting a flintlock rifle and hence the terminology stemmed from that.
- This reply was modified 9mo, 1wk ago by Robert Apple.
- September 9, 2019 at 4:46 pm #419064bethParticipant
i once had a conversation with a coworker about going out shooting in the boondocks after work. another coworker overheard us and asked what was wrong with the shooting range on site. oops.
- August 21, 2019 at 11:30 pm #417470
One thing for certain is that language evolves and changes. Used to be the F-bomb was completely taboo but now it’s as common as advertising on our TVs. The C-bomb has taken it’s place but is rapidly catching up.
I think Rob’s right about the origin of camera-speak. The ‘sight’ or ‘eyepiece’ is the link between image making and weaponry surely. Little wonder that the associated language was adopted too. Wouldn’t lose too much sleep over it, there’s more important crap to worry about. My team’s gonna miss the finals this year. SHIT!
[Note; I used the terms ‘f-bomb’ and ‘c-bomb’ so as not to offend. ‘Shit’ seems ok though?]
- This reply was modified 9mo, 1wk ago by Graham Hart.
- August 22, 2019 at 12:43 am #417476Federico AlegriaParticipant
We are living among The Offended Generation mate!
- August 22, 2019 at 2:00 am #417477
This is what comes of caring to much I think. Being offended would be futile if no one cared. I was taught by some robust individuals that it’s all about; ‘Mind over matter… I don’t mind and you don’t matter’.
Btw… the analogy between photography, shooting and hunting. I can see that. It doesn’t offend me because I love all three.
The 4 marksmanship principles and gun safety could easily be amended for photography.
- August 22, 2019 at 10:04 am #417501Michael SmithParticipant
This is so funny. I just feel people have become a bit too sensitive now a days. Some matters do require more attention than we used to give earlier, but some like these are just hilarious.
- August 22, 2019 at 10:29 am #417503
I resemble that remark!!
- August 22, 2019 at 10:37 am #417504
British and Australian Army:
1. The position and hold must be firm enough to support the weapon (camera)
2. The weapon must point naturally at the target (subject) without undue physical effort.
3. Sight alignment (Framing) and sight picture (composition) must be correct (pleasing).
4. The shot (shutter) must be released and followed through without any undue physical disturbance to the position.
Good instruction for a sharp shot. Hell! I meant sharp photograph!!
Oh, gun safety…
’Be sure of the target and of what is beyond it’ = ‘Look at your subject, but know your background’.
I’m perhaps stretching this a bit!
- August 22, 2019 at 10:47 am #417505
With all this talk of the semantics of words used in photography and Steve’s mention of the use of the word “Take” and Graham’s mention of the word “Shit” it brings me to things I have pondered over the semantics of the words give and take.
“Take” is defined as To get into one’s hands, control, or possession, especially To grasp or grip.
Reconcile that with the common phrase “I’m going to the rest room to take a shit”
And the definition of “Give” To make a present of. To place in the hands of; pass.
Examples “I give a shit”, or “I don’t Give a shit”
My common responses to those phrases
Well in the first case
“No thanks, you can keep it. Hope that doesn’t offend you.”
and in the second case
“I’m sorry, Try a little more fiber in your Diet or better yet a Big Mac will do the job every time.”
Think about it.
- August 22, 2019 at 10:51 am #417507
- September 5, 2019 at 6:05 pm #418775Erik FransmanParticipant
I agree we should end this thread with a smile. Here’s another that fits right in…
- September 5, 2019 at 6:43 pm #418782
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