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Allows Edits? YesIf we’re going to have a constructive Shark Tank we need to keep a few things in mind. This is about genuinely trying to improve our photography through constructive criticism.
IF YOU ARE RUDE, YOU WILL BE BANNED IMMEDIATELY. ONE STRIKE.
1) Make sure you are in the Shark Tank sub forum (there are several sub forums on this site)
2) Only negative (but constructive) comments (feel free to state “what worked” in the photo, but no “love this shot” type of comments.
3) Always be polite (this is about being helpful, not nasty)
4) Critique somebody else before you ask for a critique
5) Always post in a spirit of friendship and genuine helpfulness
6) When you post an image for critique, post a few sentence about how you took the shot, when and what you were trying to achieve. This helps people keep the quality of their critiques higher.
7) Ask people before you go ahead and edit their images.This is still an experiment, but we are trying to have the only really useful photography shark tank on the internet. These guidelines will evolve, but if we all approach this experiment with the right frame of mind it could turn into a pretty cool thing.
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Initially I struggled with not posting something positive but I’ve come to the realization that it wouldn’t help. If the image is something that I can’t find any suggestions for improving it then I don’t post. That could mean that it is so good that it’ll stand as is and it could mean that, in my opinion, there is nothing that can be done to save the image short of re-shooting it. Either one of those would probably prevent me from commenting. I think that the structure of this forum makes it easier to help people
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I would lend suggestion that folks also refrain from griping about watermarks as well.
Ive read comments about it on almost all images posted with watermarks so far. In no way does a watermarking opinion bare any relevance as to how to improve the shot or the processing of it.
Adding a watermark is a security act not an image creation floor!
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For discussion purposes, IDK… I have watermarked stuff and now I tend not to. I have yet to see an image where a watermark improves the image so putting it on an image and then on a photo critique site doesn’t make sense to me. We don’t hesitate to tell someone that “the white triangle in the background is distracting” yet a giant white symbol in the watermark isn’t?
Placing an image with a watermark in the “normal” section of a website doesn’t make any difference to me one way or another. BTW- Kudos to Light Stalking for trying the Shark Tank. It’s a much needed forum but I don’t think that I’ve ever seen anything like it other than the blind critiques that are done once a month on The Grid.
As far as security goes I can remove a watermark in about 2 minutes or less. Including mine. The security of a watermark is an illusion. I had a watermarked image stolen by an ad agency and it made it to all of the major city newspapers in TX, Texas Parks and Wildlife Magazine, and Texas Highways Magazine without a watermark. They also claimed that there was no EXIF.
You get more bang for the security buck by learning how to reduce the image quality to a commercially unusable size and even that is an illusion. I can uprez an image with Perfect Resize and make it commercially viable. The only security for an image is to never put it on the web.
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All valid points Michael, I am confident your experience in the field of photography over the years has equipped you with, as it has yours truly, the ability to see pass a watermark.
As you have indicated at the outset of your comment, you had watermarked stuff but now tend not to. Im sure that was a decision you made all on your lonesome, not one that someone persuaded you to do for their viewing pleasure. Most people get over doing it sooner or later anyways so who cares. -
I have just joined, like the idea and have added my 2 cents to a few of the images. However, there is one suggestions … I wish people would post or link to their high res file, as high res as they have. It is really difficult to assess an image properly from a small file.
I think that any worries of having images stolen or misused is overrated. But if people are worried, well then they should either not post those photos or have them properly registered.
The better the file, the more accurate a critique can be.
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“Most people get over doing it sooner or later anyways so who cares.”
Good point. Not commenting about it is a good plan.
I came to the point of not watermarking out of laziness :o) I have a number of brushes that I made that make it easy but it was a pain to go turn the layer off, safe the TIF, go back to Lightroom, synchronize, then print… Then I found an article on G+ that validated my laziness 🙂
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This should be interesting.
I’ve been away from my computer for a while but am back with 5000 imagtes to be processed. In between abusing (sorry! negatively criticising) people, I might post a few.Sharks bite but I bite back.
Good swimming.
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Hi, I have just joined this group because I have been desperate for some honest feedback on my photographs. I love taking photos but I am sure most of them are only fit for the bin as I came to this hobby rather later in life than most of you.
Anyway, the only thing that concerns me is that from my knowledge of working extensively with training, I know people learn through feedback. However, this shouldn’t be all negative. All the evidence shows that the PIN approach works best. Positive, informative and then negative. In this way, we won’t become too disheartened too quickly. -
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I retract anything nice I might have said about LS in the past. This is worse than a ‘like’ button.
Oh, the indignity of it all. Doesn’t anyone take photos for the sake of taking photos any more? Does everyone want the prize shot. Is everyone a critic?
But even LS can’t get rid of me that easily. Revenge is mine. I’m going to slather this place with photos and comments and not once will I mention cropping, sharpening, dodging and burning to anyone’s photo. I’ll just do what photos are meant to do: enjoy them.Stand back. I have the shark net in hand.
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I stopped critiquing after the first day. Critiques by definition are not all negative. People learn by pointing out what is working in their images as well as what is not. They also learn the lingo of photography and how it applies to their work. Sorry I can’t do all negative.
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Mods- Maybe posters should be asked to list the tools that they have at their disposal. My comments usually but not always center around having a fairly complete digital darkroom and that’s not always the case. It would help to know specifics like LR3 vs LR5 or CS3 vs CS6. Other things like Nik software add ons, etc would be nice to know too.
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One definition of critique is- “A detailed analysis and assessment of something” and a synonym for critique is criticism. The old adage- “it’s not what you say but how you say it” comes to mind.
It’s easy to say “wow I really like this” and move on but it’s not helpful. Thats’ a Facebook comment. I’ve seen some stuff in the Tank that I loved but I couldn’t comment on because the poster did a great job with capture and post processing (in my opinion). I’ve seen some stuff that I don’t feel like I know anything that would help. It doesn’t make the image bad. It’s just outside of my ability to offer help. Every now and then I see a “wow but” image so I comment. I admit that it would be nice to be able to say things like “you nailed the exposure but the horizon is crooked or I would like to see better tonal contrast AND explain how to get there” but after a while the mods would get exhausted from deleting all of the “wow that’s pretty” comments. So, the no nice things rule helps “moderate” that for them.
Also- in the end… the print is the final benchmark. I can do things to a crappy shot to make it pass muster on a computer screen, even at 72ppi, but when it goes to print every flaw is amplified so the level of preparation must be amplified. What takes me a few clicks for the web might take an hour for a print. We can’t see the print on a forum so the best that we can do is to help make the on screen image the best that it can be.
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I’m looking forward to participating in this unique platform to improve on our skills. Who better to guide us along than those who have the willingness to share their experience and knowledge with the community. Thank you to the webmasters and to our hosts. Best of luck in this endeavour. May every week be Shark Week.
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Allows Edits? Yes@joyce – Basically @michael-lloyd summed it up perfectly. If we don’t want this to turn into another Flickr / 500px love-fest, then we need the rules to do the heavy-lifting in moderation.
It’s easy enough to couch comments such as “I love the exposure” in terms of “I would leave the exposure where it is while changing these other things”
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After having commented on a number of pics, I have noticed the following … it seems that some posters choose some random pic, post it, give no or little info on it and wait for others to bring it on.
If it is a bad a mediocre snapshot, this is it and nothing can be done … a large percentage of photos are beyond saving and I assume that applies to any photographer unless you shoot very selectively.
I wish people would post their most serious work or work they really have an issue with, not just any random shot.
I wish people would post their high res version or link to it and if processed also the original image before crop and/or post.
I wish people would add their settings and if applicable why they chose them and which they chose and which were left to the camera.
I wish people would tell us why they took the shot and what their intentions were for processing, cropping it, etc.
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Easy @fidelito, don’t go using all your wishes at once!
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Allows Edits? Yes@fidelito – Currently myself, @redman and @tersha are madly running around trying to make sure everyone does things like describe what they are trying to achieve with their photos. It’s a big job as there are currently a few hundred new posts in the Shark Tank every day.
If you would like to help with that by pointing people to the shark tank etiquette thread nicely, then all the help would be very much appreciated! 🙂
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I’ve attended nearly a dozen serious in-the-field workshops. Without a doubt the most helpful was when the staff took our film (then) at mid-day for us to critique that evening. Cropping and DOF became the most-often areas for improvement… most shots had two to ten different photos within its borders.
As with everything else in life (with the possible exception of sex) we learn more by making mistakes than by being absolutely PERFECT right out of the chute.
This critique mechanism looks to be a terrific forum and promises the most growth for its participants… thanks for that guys n’ gals. Now sock it to me! -
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I am a newbie here too and this is quite interesting. I have not seen a anything like this before. It is a great idea but I am not sure that I will be of any use as a critic. I not so good with words but if I like something I can say so but not sure about things that I don’t like. Well Let’s see how it go’s. -
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Allows Edits? YesDon’t think of it as a permanent state, @david-blacker – I had to take it down due to the site performance, but I am actively looking for other solutions. 🙂
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I’ve been on a lot of high-end workshops… Rocky Mt School, AZ Highways, Rick Sammon and a dozen others around the world. Without question critiquing was by far the most instructive. “Tearing apart” [literally piece by piece] someone else’s photo is a first step and then you get handed your hat… “No, that would NOT look good, Calvinator, how ’bout THIS?” and whamo, I get it. Then it’s my turn in the tank and whamo, I get it AGAIN. After ‘getting it’ a dozen times or so I’ve paid for the workshop by learning what works and what doesn’t work.
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I’m new to the site and the Shark Tank. I think some thoughtful comments have been made here and more should evolve as the forum gains experience. I tossed one of my best shots to date in the Sharks Tank a day ago. I’m standing patiently awaiting some additional criticism. I am with a background in sports, fine art and hopefully an improving photographer. 90% of my efforts to date have been attempting to grow in the Sports Action Photography. I do not think one can improve without works to view, encouragement and opinions of others. I will most likely not criticize without possible suggested resolve. When my works evolve into “ours” and finally to something generally recognized as mine I will be beginning to know “we” did something right.
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@mboz those are nice but you put them in the wrong place.
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@capetown99 this is in the wrong location
Start a new thread from this location
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Allows Edits? Yes@catalyticcamera Just start a new thread with each photo you want critiqued 🙂
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For me, a all in all very good portrait. Composition excellent, DoF spot-on. The lighting is the only thing I can give some negative marks. The left side of the lovely lady’s face is too underexposed. I would like to see more of her left cheek and eye and hair.
Keep up the good work!André
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Is it essential to state exposure settings or lens used etc. I think it is a rather annoying habit of photographers to get hung up on how an image was created rather than being able to critique from the point of an observer.
I have received one notification about so called etiquette, and personally all this settings stuff detracts from an image.
Are we not critiquing on composition, lighting and how the image grabs us?
Maybe I am missing the point but you wouldn’t want to know what brand of paintbrushes an artist uses!
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@richardbaldwin1, and @capetown99……………….’so called etiquette’ is just a form of common courtesy.
There are a lot of learners and beginners on this site, and it is very helpful for them to see camera settings, and also a little info about how the photo was taken. -
Of course settings are important. For instance, If I post the following image in The Tank, with no info, what is a person that is new to photography going to learn from it? If I add that it was a 30s exposure @f9 and ISO 100 and that it was made during the day that “should” initiate questioning. Someone more versed in long exposure photography might ask “how many stops?”. Someone with no experience with ND filters would also need to know that I used a 10 stop ND filter. For someone that is just getting into photography this might initiate a question about, or Google search for, ND filters (Singh-Rey :o) )
Do I personally care about the settings? No, not really. But I see them as a vehicle for learning the craft.
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@tersha and @capetown99…………..Ok so for beginners having a bit of info on the settings is maybe helpful but I think that asking a question such as “how on earth did you do that” is a good way to find out information.
If someone wants to say what they did to achieve a picture then that is fine but I resent being told that I must do this, I thought free will was still in play here. Obviously I was wrong. If I decide to post an image I will not bore myself or most others by writing the settings.
If anyone wants to know I will do my best to tell them. I am all for helping and answering questions.
Photography is being ruined by the equipment jocks, if it’s a good image it’s a good image. It’s amazing what can be learnt from an image if you take the time to study it and do a bit of work for yourself.
Digital Camera did an article entitled 32 things photographers say and what the actually mean. I found this which backs me up.
When photographers say…
You’ve got some great bokeh there.
They actually mean…
I’m more at ease talking about the mechanics of photography than entering into a discussion of the artistic merits of your picture. Hey, did I mention that it looks really sharp? What lens did you use?
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Allows Edits? YesWhat @michael-lloyd said.
Yeah, it can be a bit of a drag, but if I wasn’t reading stuff from experienced folks about how putting settings in the photo posts was a drag, I would be reading stuff from newbies about how they don’t even know about settings.
As the board is read by 80% newbies, we do what helps the majority.
If the demographic changes in the future we’ll reassess – none of it is set in stone, but for now that’s the way it’s going to be.
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Well I am new at the Shark Tank but here goes. I have been taking photo’s for about three years now and they tell me that I need to find one thing and focus on it. Well I have tried but I am ask to do different subjects. My favorite is the Western Art that I have posted in my albums. I am looking for honesty to improve myself. So I am a big girl give it to me straight.
I use a Cannon 7D and I love it I have two different lenses that I catch myself using the most one 50mm
the other is 70mm -250mm
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I just joined today. First I would like to wish all a very Merry Christmas. I consider myself an advance amateur and have been a past vice president of our photography club here in Lawton OK. The Shark Tank is something new regarding photography from what I have done in the past, and I do believe the guidelines can be accomplished. I would love to participate to help others improve on their photographic skills.
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Some people need to learn the difference between constructive criticism, deconstructive criticism, and cyber bullying. I have pretty thick skin. But, I saw some “critiquing” from one dude on some poor girl’s photo and I actually felt sorry for her. At least I think it was a girl.
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Bear in mind that this is an international forum. Sometimes the language difference can cause misunderstandings.
Personally… if I see an image that is (in my opinion) crap I don’t comment. I used to but people started playing the “art card” and I chose to disconnect myself from those kinds of conversations. If I see some potential but the image needs help I usually write a book. If it’s really good, then I may comment to that effect.
Commenting with “nice image” when it isn’t or recommending some kind of off the wall crop that in the end does nothing to improve the image, is as bad as being overly critical.
If anyone want’s a continuous stream of “nice picture” style comments they can get those on Facebook.
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Hi everyone! I’m new here I’m Frank and been taking pictures for a wile now but would like to build my knowledge around photography a bit! Love this forum and know I will get some good critique from everyone here! I made my first post in the Shark tank just a few min ago!
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I know you don’t want critique dripping in sugar. With that being said, as a beginner if a picture is submitted that is truly good or extraordinary I need to hear what I did right so that I keep applying the good while I am perfecting the bad. Little things do matter, example of: If power lines ruin the picture say so, because the person taking the picture may only see their subject and may not even notice what is blatant to someone with an objective view.
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Shark Tank does work and little things do matter! I submitted a photo for review and was given a very good critique. I went back with my notes, yes I write down each piece of advice whether I agree or not. I blow up my photo and apply each critique and see what I come up with. I was told the road signs, electrical lines, and something going on at the right (which was glare caused from a window.) distracted from my subject. All little things that ruined my photo. I went back took another photo of the same subject and then come home and removed the power lines and if I do say so myself came up with a very good photo. I couldn’t have done this without shark tank and that honest reviewer, thank you very much to all of those who make shark tank possible and a great place for me to learn.
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@rafayat post your image in its own Sharktank post. You keep putting them in the etiquette thread and you’re not likely to get a critique here,. Also please read the rules. You’re supposed to include camera settings, etc.
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Trying to capture how frozen a single tree branch was after freezing rain storm.
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@wayluc can you post this in it’s own thread? It won’t be noticed by very many people here. Also, can you post image data (ISO, f stop, shutter speed) with the image.
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I have just recently joined the Shark Tank and have read/looked at quite a few. I have also sent one in and critiqued another.
I am a little disappointed in the answers some or most are giving. I thought this was to be a “critique” of what you would have done to make it better, or what was done wrong. I am seeing alot of ‘not my taste’ or don’t like the color or nice shot. This is not being helpful. If we are to learn…we need to be taught what can help us…useful information.
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I agree with you about the “Not my type” critique when it is based entirely on subject matter, but it doesn’t bother me if one expresses that it is not their type, as long as they have an idea on how to improve the shot of the OP’s subject.For the most part, I don’t feel comfortable critiquing shots that are not my type, especially if I don’t have enough knowledge about that genre of photography.
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Hi there! I have been taking photographs for two years now. And I have found out that photography is all I want to do. I hope someday to do it professionally. I believe that one of the ways to improve my photography is also getting constructive criticism. I hope in some way to be helpful, too. I uploaded my first photo in the Shark Tank today, I wanted to get a picture that showed the beauty of a tulip field. The settings were f/14, 1/640s and ISO-800, 18-55 mm lens. Thank you very much!
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I had always believed that by posting comments such as “lovely”, “good shot”,”magnificent”, will boost the morale of the photographer but this forum proves otherwise. Sometimes Negative Thoughts Become Positive. To improve further. Practice makes perfect and what better way to do other than to accept critics. This is my views only.
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Hello. I have just joined this group because I am trying to learn eveyrthing possible to become a better photographer and knowing other’s perspectives is a great learning tool. I’m happy to see a forum which allows constructive critique. I have been reading the comments regarding the etiquette and have to agree with some who are not engaged with all negative feedback. May I suggest that positive feedback is just as important. We need to understand what we are doing right as well as what we can improve on. At the end of the day, it’s all about learning and improving.
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It would be nice if people read and abided by the guidelines.
Great photo! Fantastic Image! Love this shot, don’t change a thing!
These are not critiques, they are comments and not overly helpful for someone who want to learn how to make there photo better.
For the people that don’t critique but rather just ask the person to provide there EXIF information… there are newbies on here, they may not know what EXIF is and if you look in the guidelines, it doesn’t state to include your EXIF information (see item 6 below). It only asks that you provide a few lines of information on how you took the shot. EXIF information doesn’t tell me if the photo was shot using a tripod, or if it was handheld, or if the shooter climbed up into a tree to get the angle he/she wanted.
1) Make sure you are in the Shark Tank sub forum (there are several sub forums on this site)
2) Only negative (but constructive) comments (feel free to state “what worked” in the photo, but no “love this shot” type of comments.
3) Always be polite (this is about being helpful, not nasty)
4) Critique somebody else before you ask for a critique
5) Always post in a spirit of friendship and genuine helpfulness
6) When you post an image for critique, post a few sentence about how you took the shot, when and what you were trying to achieve. This helps people keep the quality of their critiques higher.
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Sometimes people post great photo’s, fantastic images, and I love the shot… but I rarely leave it completely alone unless I really leave it alone and move on without comment.
Settings (exif) will sometimes help a person understand the concept of depth of field, etc.
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I have the same opinion as what @bgag29 has mentioned. Truly speaking, it happens where the author gets swept away by the fancy comments, ” fabulous shot”, fantastic, great etc.. . That does not help him/her to improve their shots but rather stay where they are. Stagnant. All the seven points that he has pointed out truly sticks by the rules. Being an amateur photography, i do welcome critics that can help me improve my shot. I am into street photography and any one who has the same passion, do critic my shots ( at any level). I will try to it to the next level possible.
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@aboutadogphoto, I imagine some would like to, but, I think @admin, needs to comment?
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Allows Edits? Yes@aboutadogphoto – Just throw it in the normal forums and say that you’re looking for real feedback. 🙂
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not sure if already discussed. but what if we threw in a “like” button. I know a person does not want to see post after post that “love this picture”. and I know we are not suppose to do it. but I feel it does help some people to know that people saw it and just don’t have anything to say. so if that was/is the case, then we might consider having a like button. that way we can see that people are looking at it and just don’t have any critque to say.
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Thanks and thanks @Michael-lloyd
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Allows Edits? Yes@fibonacci Regarding the like button, there is actually a count on the forums page of how many people have viewed the thread so you know folks are looking. 🙂
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@wider, if you’re looking for critiques, then post in the Shark Tank, otherwise in the appropriate subject forum.
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@joe7b, if you want to post in the Shari Tank, just click on the ”NEW TOPIC” button, top, righthand side of page…
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Hi Guys; Newbie on the site. Posted a photo yesterday on the Shark Taqnk Forum, received nice comments and would like to answer a couple of questions that were asked but can’t find the way to do it. Please someone guide me. Whenever I think I found the right way to do it, I am told I need to be logged in and then I log in and the cycle starts over again. Thanks
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Hi, Good to have a site that takes constructive critique instead of the usual ‘fab/great/smashing’ shot etc!. Great for me as a ‘Learner’ as well – as I learn – (…for want of a better word..) a ‘harder’ way – but definitely faster!
For the last few years I have been a member of a fantastic old photo Forum whose members are varied, but most have been plying their craft for around 60 years so tend not to take prisoners! – They are all perfectly lovely but also tell you exactly what is wrong with your shot and how to make it ‘better’ (and have a good laugh with you in the process)! As a learner, I was darned if I was going to blink or even open my mouth in front of them but they encouraged me to ‘see’ what I liked and disliked about theirs and in turn learn about how I made mine! LOL – doesn’t mean to say I know anything about taking my *own* shots but am learning to look at someone elses images objectively and understand them better. What I am saying is that it is scary at first but once you loosen up and start doing it is wonderfully rewarding!
I recently joined another photo site on Facebook where people post profoundly but end up saying the same gratuitous commentary and it does feel very annoying at times although, with a Forum with Such a scary name as ‘Shark Tank’ – I hope there will be some people who actually Do like your work and will say so?
Having an ‘about you’ page may help other members to look you up to see what you have done/do before they comment too harshly (Lol – at first!) 🙂 God Bless! -
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Thank you so much for this posting. It’s something I’ve been crying for for a long long time. It can’t be so difficult to add a link to click which takes you to the critic’s own photos/album. I’m sure they don’t have anything to hide ( or have they;). They should rather be proud of their work, and I think they are, so why keep us in the dark?Andre
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It’s not that hard to find someone’s work on the web (if it’s there)
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Sorry, I most probably miss it somewhere, but I fail to find the link wildlightmagic giving me any indication of critiques on LS. I don’t even see any relationship with LS, apart from being also a photography site with some good photos. Please tell me where I’m missing the plot. The only connection might be that it’s your personal site??André
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Yes, it is my site. My point was that it’s not hard to find someone on the internet. Also- having a website doesn’t make you a good photographer or good at giving a critique. That’s why I’ll occasionally drop an image of mine in the Tank. If I take on the task of critiquing someone else then I think I should step up and let others have a look at what I’ve done. Most of the time I know there is a problem with the image but can’t put my finger on it.
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@michael-lloyd, thanks for your input!
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Hey @admin or @tersha how do I unsubscribe from the Shark Tank Etiquette emails?
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Allows Edits? YesAs I have stated MULTIPLE times before, nobody is trying to “hide” anything. The link to each person’s album got lost with a bug and will be replaced when the new design goes live.
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@capetown99 sorry but I don’t think @admin is getting itchy, I’ve read discussions that you have been involved in where he has stated the problem and what is being done to rectify it.
Web design can be a time consuming process especially when you are planning a radical overhaul of a current site, please cut him some slack and wait for the new site to go live, then this problem and the itchiness will be gone 🙂
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OK @ed-aldridge, @admin
I’ll rest my case and await the new, revamped website. Meanwhile I’ll still post the odd photo.
Just before I sign off, I’m not against critique. If I were I would’ve stayed out of here. I think I have a hard skin and was really kicked around on other sites by critics whose work I could see and admire. By having access to their photos added to the critique. In other words, not only TELLING you what you’ve done wrong, but actually SHOWING you. The old saying…………….”a picture is 1000x more worth than a 1000 words”
No hard feelings towards anyone!
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I really like the idea of this and look forward to using it and getting feedback, not sure I’m qualified to give a lot of criticism other than just what catches my eye
Question though, can we say what does work in a photo to us as well as what doesn’t?
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Hi, On a photo club that I’m a member of, everytime you post to their Gallery your image shows up as a thumbnail, but when you expand it it automatically shows your exif details below the image (which it collected when you uploaded) …. Could we not do the same here? – That would save a lot of trouble and make it easier for everyone? Just out of interest they have a ‘star’ rating on each photo, so even if people don’t leave any verbal, they can rate it! Bit like a ‘Like’ button which is much more personal on each image perhaps than the amount of people that viewed the whole thread?
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Is each ‘Topic’ like a mini forum for others to add their own relevant pics to it?
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Allows Edits? Yes@photojunkie – working on it. 😉
Just start a new topic if you cannot find a recent relevant one 😉
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I am just wondering if anyone has actually had any of their photos critiqued on this shark tank. I have seen about five pages of posts with four or five photos and no comments. Now I am new to this stuff, so admittedly, I may be looking in the wrong place or wrong way. Any help in understanding this is appreciated.
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@scottwinzenried it may just be that there is nothing in there that people feel a) comfortable b) able c) worthwhile commenting on, I must admit I have not popped into the tank for a while so have no idea what is in there at the moment..
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@scottwinzenried glad to hear it 🙂 I believe the site is being revamped to make it easier to follow so keep your eyes peeled for a new look!
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Just joined and I applaud the reality critique of submitted images. I thought 500px.com was going to be that kind of site but eventually devolved to the “WOW that’s great” category. I do belong to PSA and subscribe to their digital dialog section. And there are groups of 6-7 photographers who submit 1 image/mo and will get critiques and give critiques. I say this in response to the post re, liking an images and not critiquing. The section seem to come to the conclusion that – If you find that you like the image then stat what it is that you like i.e. – composition, lighting, tack sharp or soft focus. In other words the reasons photographically you do like the image. and there you have my 2 cents.
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Allows Edits? YesGood to have you on board @toniwithani
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I’ve joint few months ago and already posted 3-4 photos for critique. Had very constructive critiques that have enabled me to look at my photos from another angle or to correct few things I had missed.
I don’t see the purpose in getting approbation and taps on the back. I just want to get constructive criticism to improve my photo-taking and I think this is what the Shark Tank is all about.
Welcome to the Tank.
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This is a great idea. I have been a member of a camera club for a couple of months and while some of the feedback was useful, it didn’t get down to the basics which, as a new digital user, is what I need. So thanks in advance everyone. Just a thought, I like to call this opportunities for improvement rather than negative feedback. Cheers
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Allows Edits? YesThat is probably a good way of saying it @susan2011 🙂
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When I joined my photo club, we decided after our first few meetings that if we were going to progress, we had to be honest in our critique. Not mean but honest with what we thought. Of course, it is always in the manner. Some people are naturally smoother talker than other and are more tactful but which ever way, honesty is the only way to learn.
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Start a new thread in the Shark Tank forum. This isn’t the right place
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Allows Edits? YesHey @michael-lloyd – you know you have the power to split threads, right? (You should see a “split” link at the top of the post you want to split.
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Allows Edits? YesGlad you like the idea @gregorwmft
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Quick questions (hopefully quick) that I haven’t found answers to
1) Do embedded photos retain their ICC profile (assuming it’s in the original at the referenced URL). I’ve seen a few people complaining about thier color being off. I upload sRGB profiled jpegs to my server and I assume I would embed a url from there and this server will recompress it (yuck). Same question applies to images uploaded to the album here.
2) Are art nudes acceptable for critique or is it strictly SFW only?
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Agree, but would like to refrain from critiquing the work of others for a bit until I see where I stand skill wise with the group. I hope this won’t bother anyone, as the possibility of actually getting usable constructive criticism on my photos is one of my favorite things about this site.
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In my opinion, one can never critique a photo on “sound principle” alone. Yes, there are basic so-called rules like the thirds, leading lines, POV etc, but in the end it is how the maker of the photo likes it. For me, there is always some kind of emosion in the photographer when taking/making a photo which can seldom relayed by “sound principles”. Hope I make sence!
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@extrayeye, It’s all subjective and it is hard to separate the technique from the artistic aspect of a photo. Many people do critiques, some with lots of experience, others with less. If you have more experience, you can be more precise in your coaching; if not you talk more from a feeling point of view as mentioned by @capetown99.
And you, the person receiving the critique, after others have pointed out to you certain aspects of your photo that you might have overlooked, can afterwards make a more enlightened decision as to what to correct or leave. You are the final judge.
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I am new to the Shark Tank but looking forward to an open and safe forum that focuses on honest feedback. What we evaluate is the finished product; what we cannot evaluate (nor should we) is the motive and vision behind the image. Only the photographer can judge whether his/her vision was effectively realized. And all feedback reflects the bias and interpretation of the individual providing the critique. Comments focusing on technical and artistic aspects of an image provide the photographer insight that can be applied to his/her craft – such are invaluable in pursuit of better images; emotional responses, while nice to receive, offer little useful input. Being candid and constructive should be collaborative, not confrontational. Each image posted represents an opportunity to learn – through observation and through critique. I look forward to continuing education!
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As someone new to photography I look forward to learning from negative critique. It will also be helpful, as someone with a world of things to learn, to hear observations about what worked well as it may easily have been something I did totally inadvertently. Thanks for everyone’s generous sharing.
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Please forgive me as I am new here. I thought the Shark Tank was for people to post their photos to get critique. Mostly all I see here is discussion but very few photos. But also I see under each person’s name a number of Total Posts. I am very confused at this point what we are doing on Shark Tank and how this works? The few photos I did see posted in this space, the comments following were that they were posted in the wrong place, which confused me even more. Finally about halfway through I just scrolled down to ask this question. What am I missing here? I read the Shark Tank rules of etiquette but did not see anything that explained what is going on here.
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So many responses, so many POVs…I look forward to jumping in and adding my 2 cents worth. It will give me a chance to practice the language of critiquing learned while earning a minor in photography. So many grueling afternoons, but very useful in the end and my photography is much better because of those sessions.
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Hello every body. I am also a new one in this forum. I post this shot for critiqie.Thank you.
Dmitriy Christov_Pazardzhik_Street vew by night.jpg by dimo on Light Stalking-
Hi @dimo, you need to start a new thread in the Shark Tank with this shot.
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How do I submit a photo for critique from my computer?
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Start at the beginning: http://www.lightstalking.us/forums/topic/getting-started-faqs/
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Unfortunately as I am very new to photography and trying to learn, I don’t feel comfortable or able to criticise others’ work. But I’d love to have comments on my photos.
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I agree but as a new member of Light Stalking I consider myself an amateur & I’m not sure I am in any position to critique until I know exactly what I’m doing.
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Allows Edits? YesDon’t let that hold you back Sue. You could even remark on how a photograph makes you feel – it does not have to be technical in content. There are subjective and objective comments, technical and artistic, some are matters of fact and others are matters of opinion. 🙂 Critiquing is a great way of learning. (I’m rubbish at it by the way, find it very difficult to offer criticism.)
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Spot on!
May I also add that people who submit images for a critique are doing so because they are hopefully looking for “ADVICE” & “ENCOURAGEMENT” on how to improve their photography.
Hopefully not to obtain any “wow that’s a great shot” recognition comments for self satisfaction.
Before you critique an image always read it through before hitting the submit button with these five points in mind.
- To make sure it is worded so they understand what you mean.
- Don’t use abbreviated photo jargon they may not be familiar with. explain in brackets if necessary.
- Put yourself in the shoes of the recipient, what would it do to your self esteem?
- Make them want to come back with other images due the “Helpful” Critiques the have received.
- Always keep in mind “WE ALL HAD TO START SOMWHERE”
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Hi Ian,
I agree with your post Ian, I have only been here one day & made a few Bloopers already [Thank goodness there is a edit button] & I especially agree with 1 & 2 because I don’t understand photo jargon yet, but with time I’m sure I will. As yet I have not Critiques someone else photo, it is something I am uncomfortable with & feel I’m unable to do so as I myself do not know what on earth I am doing, so please be patient me.
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I just visited the Shark Tank. Wow. Very intimidating. I don’t understand why beginners are not given more encouragement and judged as a beginner and not as an expert. It’s like a professional violinist critiquing his beginner student at a level which a professional violinist should be judged at. Just my two-cents worth.
Luis
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Allows Edits? YesYeah, the last month or two it has been like that a bit. I am removing all those who make it that way though. It will be going back to being a much more inclusive and constructive place that it has been for the vast majority of its seven years of existence.
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This makes sense agree with keeping it nice but still keeping a straight forward honest critique that means something for the maker/artist/photographer while being positive.
So question where are the photographs and where can I up load images
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My goal was to take a shot of her pretty eyes and add the light coming in through the blinds on the sliding door to create a pattern on her face. Suggestions for a newbie in editing (Lightroom, haven’t graduated to Photoshop yet!) this picture so I can submit it in the Light Stalking Portrait Series Project.
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