Water and Fire

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    • #140721
      Michael Lloyd
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        It’s hard to come up with a catchy name sometimes.

        Ok… in the past I have put an image up that I felt like it had a known flaw and waited for someone to find the flaw. That started to feel a little disingenuous so I stopped doing that. In other words- this is not a test. 🙂

        I’m not sure what I think about this one. I like the concept that I had but it seems to be lacking. Maybe it needs to be cropped? I’m not sure. Any suggestions?

        Canon 1DMKIV
        70-200 f2.8L IS handheld / panning
        200mm

        ISO 100

        1/8s @ f14

      • #140869
        Rob Wood (Admin)
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          @michael-lloyd Welcome to an issue I have been playing with too.

          Waves.

          Possibly the most frustrating subject I have ever tried to photograph. I like how you have captured the whisps off the top of the wave, but I don’t think this photo “works”

          The really frustrating thing is that I cannot tell you why.

          I have some shots that I don’t think work either. And some have been sitting on my hard drive for quite a while. And I keep coming back to them trying to get them to work. And I just cannot do it.

          I have played with crops etc. Nothing. i think I prefer concentrating on the plays of colour, but it still doesn’t work.

          As I said, frustrating.

          (Hey let’s hear from some others on this – @terhsa, @camerasinger, @nikon-nut, @caimi)

        • #140871
          Michael Lloyd
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            The image has been sitting on the drive since 1/13. I look at it on the monitor, zoom in, etc. and I come to the same conclusion as you have.

            This one is better… but I’m not sure about it either. Cropping might help it

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            caimi
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            • #140878
              David Nathan
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                I really really like the second one that you posted. The main one not so much. Personally I feel like the second dimension of the second one is given by the curl of the wave that really suggests movement. I also feel that the waves would be better if they had a point of reference to judge them by IE something for scale etc.

              • #140879
                Michael Lloyd
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                  @caimi That’s a lot better but I’m still missing something


                  @driverv
                  that is a good point. Maybe that’s what it is. The waves were 6′ plus (remains of a Nor’Easter the day before)

                  This video probably illustrates why my waves leave me wishing for something better.

                • #140880
                  David Nathan
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                    Wow they were six feet? They seemed much smaller. Definitely could use a frame of reference.

                  • #140883
                    John Thompson
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                      @michael-lloyd the first one does not work because it doesn’t say anything. It has no subject. Now that said I really like the second one. The second one works because you immediately see the artistic side of photography. With the first one you only see the image side of photography. The second one works because of the colors and the slower shutter speed gives it character which the first one does not have. I know I am not explaining this well and for that I am sorry.

                    • #140884
                      Michael Lloyd
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                        Actually John… I think that you nailed it

                      • #140891
                        John Thompson
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                          Well thank you Michael. A few months ago someone posted a pic in the ST. I looked at it and passed on making any comments. I went back to it the next day and there were several comment like, “Add a bit of saturation” or work on the sky, etc etc. I commented finally and I said why do all of that when in the end you still have a bad image. The guy that posted it was a bit upset. He wanted to know what I would do to fix the pic and I told him that the only way to fix it is throw it away and try again. Then I went on about the composition etc. His image was crap. It said nothing nor did it have any esthetic quality.

                        • #140895
                          Michael Lloyd
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                            Lol… a good friend of mine, who is no longer alive (died way too young, not even 50), used to have the perfect response to “his image was crap”- He’d say “yep, sometimes you’ll have that” lol

                            We all make crap. I’ve got tons of it. For some reason, that I can’t figure out, I used to keep black or white frames. No idea why.

                            When it comes to asking for a critique, the toughest thing to learn to do can be to suspend the ego :o) but it’s incredibly important to do that.

                            All one has to do is look around the web and, if they are honest, they will see that the bulk of images out there are crap and the people don’t know it. Hell… I only have to go as far as my own hard drive lol but I like to think I am getting better at learning what of mine is crap and what isn’t :o)

                          • #140896
                            Rob Wood (Admin)
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                              @nikon-nut The reason I don’t give advice like that is that a newbie has no context. If they can get a small improvement done on an unsalvageable image, then they might learn about that one little improvement and make it better for their next shot.

                              It’s kind of like depression where you cannot get anything done. A psychologist will advise “tidy your sock drawer” as it’s a small, achieveable step.

                            • #140935
                              John Thompson
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                                Rob @admin you are right of course.

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